Here’s a transcript of the call between Stu Peters and ‘Jordan’ on Manx Radio last night. You can listen to the underlying audio online here. As always, you should verify the transcript below from the audio before quoting and relying upon it. The time stamps below should help.

Stu Peters 13:42
And yet, give us a call anytime. That’s what we’re here for. Let’s go to line one. I think we’ve got somebody else who wants to have a quick word. Hello, this is Manx radio.

Jordan (caller) 13:58
Hi, my name’s Jordan. I am a black man that lives on the Isle of Man.

Stu Peters 14:05
Okay, Jordan.

Jordan (caller) 14:07
Yep. And I’m calling in reference to a post that you made. Stay in. I expect this is Stu Peters, sorry?

Stu Peters 14:16
It is. Yeah.

Jordan (caller) 14:17
Yeah. It says, “I expect the protests will be in front of the USMC in Douglas. Otherwise an IOM protest about police brutality in America make no sense except as a virtue signalling snowstorm. In other news saw this on a graph earlier. In 2018, the US had around 50,000 white-on-black violent crimes, compared to 400,000 black-on-black and about around 550,000 black-on-white violent crimes.”

Stu Peters 14:44

Jordan (caller) 14:45
“ALL LIVES MATTER in capitals.” And there’s so many things wrong with this. I honestly don’t know where to start.

Stu Peters 14:51
Well, no, no, go ahead. If you

Jordan (caller) 14:54
I haven’t even got to my point. The fact that you’re starting that insinuating Manx protests over police brutality is pointless unless it’s in a destination that you deem fit is absurd. First of all,

Stu Peters 15:05
Well, why why are you demonstrating outside of Tynwald?

Jordan (caller) 15:08
Why can’t I? Why

Stu Peters 15:10
You can demonstrate anywhere you like. But it doesn’t make any sense to me, which is the point that I was trying to make on the Manxforums thread.

Jordan (caller) 15:17
That doesn’t make sense to you.

Stu Peters 15:20
I don’t understand why people on the Isle of Man are protesting in support of black lives matter in America, which is 3000 miles away.

Jordan (caller) 15:29
Right. Okay. So if people are breaking human rights or anywhere around the world, that doesn’t make sense to you, that we will stand up for it?

Stu Peters 15:38
But who are you standing…

Jordan (caller) 15:40
Let’s think about World War One. There was let’s see, a World War One was first for the official record show that 8,251 Manxman enlisted in the armed forces.

Stu Peters 15:53

Jordan (caller) 15:53
Today 2.3% of the island’s male population

Stu Peters 15:56

Jordan (caller) 15:56
At the military age of these, 1,165 gave their lives and 987 were wounded. As these lives weren’t taken on our soil does it change what they fought for? Or the atrocities that they had to endure? And I’m in no way comparing their sacrifices to that of protesters. The location of the war you fight has no bearing on the reason or the validity of it.

Stu Peters 16:18
I just

Jordan (caller) 16:19
You think that just because lives are being brutalised and oppressed in a country anywhere around the world, not just in America? Why it doesn’t matter to you?

Stu Peters 16:29
Alright, can I speak for a second?

Jordan (caller) 16:31
I’d love for you to.

Stu Peters 16:32
Okay. I think that what happened to George Floyd is despicable. I think that what that police officer did is probably criminal, but we’ve got to wait until the courts decide that. But I think that what that man did is that he murdered George Floyd and I think that’s awful. I can understand to a point why people I can understand very clearly why people in America are protesting about it. I can understand why Black Lives Matter, an American organisation is protesting about it. But what I can’t understand is why people around the rest of the world are protesting and specifically in the Isle of Man, why you would have a protest outside of Tynwald about it.

Jordan (caller) 17:12
Okay, so when you saying all lives matter, that’s first of all is just derogatory and ridiculous.

Stu Peters 17:18
It’s not derogatory.

Jordan (caller) 17:19
Listen, for all lives to matter, we have to raise the people of all creeds, colours, religions, to the level that white people’s privilege allows them to be. For all lives to matter, black.

Stu Peters 17:29
I’ve had no more privilege in my life than you have, Jordan. I’ve had no more privilege in my life, then you have. I’m a white man. You’re a black man, you say.

Jordan (caller) 17:39
That if you believe that, then you’re already {indecipherable}. This is exactly what white privilege is. I’m not saying you haven’t, like, endured anything in your life. But you have automatically, the system is built for you to win already. I have to go through everything in my daily life. And I have to go through these things that you don’t see so you don’t think they exist or I kind of believe that you are intellectual man to a degree, you are either extremely ignorant or extremely. I don’t know what you are.

Stu Peters 18:06

Jordan (caller) 18:07
with you any longer with that with that kind of opinion. I hope you can be saved from your own ignorance and I encourage you to enlighten yourself.

Stu Peters 18:13

Jordan (caller) 18:14
People such as myself have to face every single day and both realise and empathise with the world that we live in. Its far from a playing field.

Stu Peters 18:22
Can I speak again? Or are you just gonna rant?

Jordan (caller) 18:25

Stu Peters 18:26
You’re just gonna rant? Okay, well, that was good. Let’s move on. We’ve got somebody else on line two! Hello, this is late live and unleashed, apparently.

6 June Update: I adjusted the second last sentence above from “We’ve got somebody else online too!” to “We’ve got somebody else on line two!”

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